Update June 4 2020

I have found the best $8.49 modification for my pedal kit that you may wish to try. A visitor to my site, Robert Dutton-Jones  recommended a bearing race that is sealed so I ordered one. The image on Amazon is very basic and does not show how effective this kit is in its entirety. This is the only image on Amazon for the Sunlite Sealed Bottom Bracket Cup Set for 3-Piece Cranksets, 68/73mm.

So here is what you don’t see unless you order one of these remarkably inexpensive pieces of kit:

Instead of just blank spaces between the axle and the bearing races these races have EXCELLENT seals!

Here are the OEM bearing races from the Sur Ron pedal kit.

And a comparison.

So to illustrate just how well the seals ‘seal‘ the axle I did a test with light.

As you can see the light shows between the bearings and the axle. (BTW the REV in yellow paint tells me which end is the reverse thread pattern so I don’t cross thread my pedal shaft.)

And here is the same light test with the sealed bearing race.

No light leak!

The kit comes with this bellows shaped cover that goes between the two bearing races. Its purpose is to keep dirt and crud out of the bearings on bicycles. Even though most bottom brackets are closed dirt can get into the seat post and work its way down to the bottom bracket. Very clever! Since my pedal kit has this hole (who know what reason SR put it there, it’s at the fucking top for crying out loud!) I plugged mine. But I decided to use it anyway and fill it with grease. It keeps the bearings and seals lubed. I learned this from a user on Amazon who is very clever. The reason there is black silicon tape in the middle is I extended the length of the tube with my heat gun and got it too hot! So some of the bellows split! UGH!

And finally I reversed my axle to have the ground side on the left rather than on the right. Why? Well when you position the pedal kit sprocket correctly inline with the countershaft sprocket and the rear sprocket the ground down side exacerbates the wobble of the sprocket which tightens and loosens the chain. Reversing the spindle makes the mating of the sprocket better so that tightening and loosening is greatly reduced.

And since Sur Ron neglected to reverse thread the left side of the spindle it won’t matter which side is which. So many aspects of the pedal kit shows it was a complete afterthought, but even then I’m happy they even offered it.

Because of the sealed bearing races and the cool tube I won’t be servicing my pedal kit as often, maybe once every two years rather than every six months. And keep in mind I do not ride in heavy deep sand or mud. If you do or ride in the snow I would HIGHLY recommend this bearing race change. Hope this helps you all who have one too.

Update May 21 2020

I have posted a link to EUL cranks which can replace the Luna OEM pedal crank set.

January 30 2020

A very experienced expert Sur Ron mechanic sent me an incredible video on how to properly install the Sur Ron pedal kit! Even though this post is about adjusting the pedal kit, I wanted to share it for those who plan to do the installation. The filmmaker has given me his permission to share this informative video! Thanks so much Kyle! 

 

July 15 2019

Pedal Kit Maintenance or Repair

For those of you who prefer a video over reading there is an online video by “fuzzyfriendlydoggy” which illustrates how to accomplish this task.

The Sur Ron Pedal Kit is basically like the simple bottom bracket on a child’s bike. There are two reasons for disassembling your pedal kit:

  • Pedal kits should be serviced regularly depending on how much you ride your bike and in what conditions. There is a small hole on the top of the tube which holds the bearings and the spindle. I believe this hole was meant to face DOWNWARD to allow any moisture to escape, but because it faces upward on the Sur Ron’s application it would only allow moisture and debris to enter, NOT escape.
  • Some of you may find that your pedal cranks have an undo amount of play in them. This will cause wobble of the pedal kit sprocket as well as a loose feeling as you ‘pretend pedal.’ This is almost always caused by the removable bearing race having loosened because the threaded collar ring has loosened from being tightened securely against the shell tube.
This is the hole in the pedal kit’s shell. I will be looking for a rubber plug to insert into this hole and will add it to this post once that’s done.
This is the correct orientation of the pedal kit as it is installed on the bike’s swingarm. The wider mounting flange is toward the front of the bike. As you can see the hole is forward and upward facing. In my view there is no reason for the hole at all. I may decide to drill a second hold on the bottom of the pedal kit shell to allow moisture to escape and plug the existing hole.

BTW the pedal kit with the OEM cranks and metal Luna pedals weighs 5.6 lbs.

NOTE: Two weeks ago I was contacted by a fellow Sur Ron owner who lives here in the Bay Area. He had taken his two Sur Rons down to Luna to have pedal kits installed onto both of them. One week after he returned one of the pedal kit sprockets separated from the shell tube and caused the bike to become inoperable. The chain was binding so much that the bike would not move. He went to three motorcycle shops and two bicycle shops to have it repaired. All five of those shops said that they could not work on something they were not familiar with. Bike shops said, “That’s a motorcycle, we don’t work on motorcycles.” Motorcycle shops said, “That’s a bicycle, we don’t work on bicycles.” So for ten months he could not use one of his bikes! Holy shit man! I ended up fixing it for him….for a fee of course. And the reality? EVEN IF either of those types of shops would work on his bike they would NOT have been able to repair it. The fix required a new pedal kit assembly. I had a back up (Boy Scout shit never dies!) which I ended up selling to him. They would never have had one!

Then just today (7-8-19) he sent me the following photos of his other bike which now has the very same problem:

Bearing race has separated from the pedal kit’s shell tube.

The reason it has separated is because the locking collar ring was not sufficiently tightened down on the bearing race. I use blue Loctite btw on the ring. This allowed the race to back out from the shell tube. But the most concerning thing here is the bearing race has now threaded onto the pedal kit sprocket. You can see that the locking collar ring is now pressed up against the sprocket housing. And if it’s locked on so tight that it cannot be removed (like it was with the one I fixed for him), he will need to purchase another pedal kit. Ugh! The rotation as you pedal your bike will naturally TIGHTEN the sprocket against the bearing race IF the locking collar ring is loose enough to allow the race to rotate out. That’s what made it impossible for me to separate the bearing race from the sprocket.

The reason I posted this is to illustrated that if you purchased your bike with the pedal kit already installed, it would be a great idea to inspect the locking collar ring to ensure it is tight. Otherwise you may find yourself in the very same predicament as this poor fella. Enough said, let’s move on….

The Sur Ron pedal kit itself is very simple to maintain. It basically consists of the following parts:

  • The ratcheting sprocket assembly
  • The housing shell which holds the pedal spindle
  • Two thrust ball bearing cages
  • One spindle
  • Two removable ball bearing races. One that is REVERSE threaded. That is the one opposite the race with the threaded locking collar ring
  • One threaded locking collar ring
You should note that BOTH SIDES of the pedal kit’s shell tube assembly can be detached. The side that does not have the locking collar ring is a REVERSE THREAD, meaning to loosen that race you would rotate it CLOCKWISE which is the exact opposite of normally threaded items. I recommend removing both since it’s much easier to clean and grease the races when they are removed from the shell tube. And you will definitely want to clean out the shell tube itself as well.

You should note that the spindle side where the ratcheting sprocket is attached has ground flat spots which securely hold the locking bolts onto the spindle. Make note of its position when you reassemble your pedal kit sprocket onto your bike.

In this image you can see the thrust ball bearing cages, the removable ball bearing race and the threaded collar ring. NOTE that the thrust ball bearing cages have the ball bearings facing OUTWARD. Be sure to do the same when reassembling the pedal kit.

The Pedal Kit is just an early version of a tapered square bicycle bottom bracket.

Pedal Kit Measurements. The housing uses English style threaded bearing races. Note that the side which is opposite from where the sprocket is located uses reverse threads. If you’re wondering about the reason I’ve posted this graphic I created of the measurements it’s because I am considering converting the thrust ball bearings into sealed bearings. So I need to know the shell dimensions to look for an English style of bottom bracket in that length.

To remove the pedal kit assembly from your bike you will need to remove the chain from the rear sprocket and also remove the rear wheel. Although it’s possible to remove the pedal assembly without doing these things, it makes the job much easier.

Remove your pedal cranks from the pedal kit spindle. I use a very inexpensive crank arm puller to remove the cranks from the pedal kit. You can find it in my section “Gear I Use.” Or you can do it the gorilla way and use a claw hammer to pry the crank from the spindle. Up to you.

Four hex head bolts fasten the pedal kit to the swing arm. Some pedal kits have captured nuts on the underside of the pedal kit bracket. Some utilize loose nuts. In addition there are spacers on the side of the pedal kit that provide distance between the underside of swing arm. Some are not captured on the pedal kit, some are. These allow clearance for the ratcheting sprocket to spin.

Since mine is an older version it has both captured nuts and spacers.

Captured nuts

If yours are not captured I would suggest replacing your bolts with ones long enough to use nylock nuts rather than the loose ones supplied with your kit. Nylocks are available at most hardware stores or online. If not, use blue Loctite to secure the nuts well to the bolts. Just a suggestion…..

Captured spacers

Loosen the threaded collar ring with a set of Channel Lock pliers. You can also use a screwdriver and hammer.

Once the threaded collar ring is removed you can unscrew the bearing race with a set of needle nose pliers. Or you can use a screwdriver and hammer to loosen the bearing race until it’s easy to unthread by hand.

Completely clean the inside and outside of the pedal kit tube. I use kerosene to do so as it cuts grease and dirt well. I also soak the bearings and bearing race in it as well. Once those are completely dry I use Park Tool Grease on the bearings and bearing races. Be sure not to forget to grease the race that you don’t remove which is on the opposite side of the open pedal tube!

An optional step I follow is to sand off any rust that has accumulated on the pedal kit tube. After doing so and completely cleaning off any residue I paint the pedal kit to prevent future rusting.

Don’t forget that the bearings should face OUTWARD toward the bearing races. Be sure this happens on both sides, the one that you don’t remove and the one you do. Otherwise you will feel major bind in the spindle!

Assembly is the opposite of disassembly (DUH!) Check how much play you have in the spindle by putting the whole assembly in a vice or something similar. Then try to rock the spindle back and forth to determine if you have too much play. If so tighten down the bearing race, BY HAND until there is little to no play, but the spindle spins freely. I place blue Loctite on the threads before installing the threaded collar ring. There’s no need to hold the removable ball bearing race when tightening down the collar ring. It won’t move. Secure the locking collar ring down against the shell tube tightly!

I use blue Loctite for the collar locking ring.

Reattach the pedal kit sprocket onto the spindle and just hand tighten the locking bolts. Be very careful to leave space between the threads on the sprocket and the threaded bearing race! I had to repair another owner’s pedal kit because he had threaded the sprocket onto the bearing race. It was ruined.

Once the pedal kit is remounted onto your bike, align the pedal kit sprocket with your chain. Then tighten down the locking bolts being sure to align them with the flat notches on the pedal kit spindle. Reinstall your pedal cranks and you’re all done!

  • One thing to keep in mind as well is since the pedal kit is attached to the swing arm YOU become unsprung weight. Yep depending on how much weight you are placing on the pedals determines how much unsprung weight you are adding. I am always standing as I bomb down hills, so I’m adding 180 lbs. to the unsprung weight. As I’m riding I am placing varying amounts of unsprung weight depending on what I’m doing.
  • Perhaps one of its saving graces is that the pedal kit is located very close to the center pivot point of the swing arm rather than further out. I believe this may be one of the factors contributing to why I don’t notice it except in specific situations.
  • Now if I was racing I’d be damn upset and would only ride with pegs. But I’m NOT racing and truth be told the only time I definitely notice that I’m attached to the swingarm is when I land off of medium to high jumps. Even over rutted or chattered terrain I don’t notice. Just something to keep in mind that I never hear mentioned….

NOTE: One of the things I noticed on my pedal kit is the sprocket ‘seemed to be out of round.’ I noticed that my chain would tighten and then loosen as I spun the wheel. It is not ‘too’ bad, but I don’t like any variance in tension. So today I was examining my disassembled kit and noticed that if I don’t tighten the two M8 bolts that hold the sprocket onto the spindle evenly I get an uneven rotation on the sprocket. Allowing the sprocket to go as far as it can onto the spindle to completely seat against it allows the sprocket to spin in a completely normal and uniform way.

Because the sprocket is properly placed in line with the chain as it is aligned to the rear and countershaft sprocket, it is not completely seated against the spindle. So a small amount of space exists between the spindle and the inner surface of the sprocket’s housing. Tightening the two bolts unevenly then causes the sprocket to be uncentered which then causes the uneven tension on the chain.

I’m very happy to have discovered this. Just be really careful as you tighten your pedal kit sprocket bolts evenly and you will not have varying chain tension as your wheel spins. If you do notice varying tension on your chain, just adjust the sprocket bolts until it’s even. Or perhaps you’ve never noticed…..

Mystery solved!

Update: AT SOME POINT if you are well versed in bearing maintenance both the bearings AND races in the pedal kit will need to be replaced. If you’re not the kind to check on those sort of things, keep moving along….

But for those who do keep up with maintenance I found a kit to replace both the bearings and races: Sunlite Bottom Bracket Cup Set for 3-Piece Cranksets, 68/73mm for a whopping $6.77 USD! Much cheaper than having to purchase a whole new pedal kit eh?

Reverse thread just like the OEM bearing race. And the wrench size is much more convenient than the OEM version.
Everything matches up just right with this kit.

Update: July 17 2019

In my seemingly never ending quest to improve the pedal kit I sourced silicon rings to use as seals on each end of the pedal kit. Besides the silly hole (which I’ve plugged) in the housing shell I found that the openings between the spindle and the bearing races lets in debris and moisture. So after measuring the size, the ID is 16mm and the OD is 19mm. I found some great O rings on Amazon and installed them into my pedal kit.

Before pushing the ring down into the recess of the bearing race.
Pushed all the way in. I also grease the O ring just to add a little more of a barrier from dirt and moisture. I do the same thing on the other side as well.

Time will tell me if this process keeps more crud out of the shell housing than before. Stay tuned….

67 Comments

  1. I really appreciate the work that has gone into your site. I am a retired pro motorcycle pilot & have just picked up a X model from Luna. My usages May mirror a lot of yours. Feel free to email me we can talk about the good old days on a racetrack. Age gets us all…

    Thanks again I appreciate your site & documentation of the changes made. Kinda curious as Öhlins makes a ttx22 10.5 “ travel shock. Seems like a lot of work to fit the 9.5” yo save a few hundred dollars vs new. I still have an Öhlins contact if your ever interested in changing.

    Flip side

    • Hey Rick thanks SO MUCH for your appreciation! Means a lot to me. Yeah age is not for sissies that’s for sure. I bought the 9.5 Ohlins because the 10.5 TTX was around 900.00 with a spring. I could not locate one used when I was looking. I got the 9.5 on eBay for less than half that amount. As you well know when you’re ACTUALLY competing it’s really easy to ‘justify’ spending oodles of cash on your race bike! LOL But for a fun bike like this I just could not bring myself to spend nine hundred bucks. Thanks for the offer too! Happy riding, you’ve entered an awesome Twilight Zone universe!

  2. Wow okay. Thanks so much for this. Got my bike Friday and now 4 days later my bottom bracket fell out like your pictures show. So now im going to have to get this fixed. Im going to see if Luna will fix it for me since I live down the street from them. Thanks for everything you did here. Ill need this if Luna doesnt come through.

    • Aristotle, you’re very welcome. If they don’t fix it for you it’s an easy fix. Just be sure to TIGHTEN down the locking collar ring WELL and use some blue Locktite too. I may be the only person on the planet that uses the pedal kit! LOL. BTW what a COOL first name you have! Wow.

  3. So Im crazy Curious how torque/speed differ with that TINY rear Sprocket ?

    • Dave if you are referring to that very small 25t sprocket in the Chinese pedal kit video I don’t run that one. I am using the OEM 48t sprocket. I have also run the Luna 60t sprocket with my pedal kit. I believe Sur Ron manufactured the 25t sprocket for the pedal kit so that you ‘could‘ move the bike by pedaling. I would NEVER use a sprocket like the 25t. This bike was never actually meant to be pedaled.

  4. Mark
    Great write up on the pedal kit!
    I really want the belt drive AND the pedal kit for super stealth operation and lower maintenance. Was thinking it might be feasible to replace the sprocket with one from a belt drive kit if the spindle can tolerate an additional (1/2”thicknesses of the belt) and somehow attach it to the clutch. What do you think?
    Lonnie

    • Lonnie…oooooh I need to noodle that a bit. Because I don’t know much about drive belts I cannot speak to how critical the tension is or how to best adjust them to the proper tension. In my limited knowledge I ‘think’ the main issue will be finding a belt pulley/clutch mechanism that will work for the pedal assembly. As you have read I found that the pedal sprocket is very finicky in terms of where it resides on the spindle. If it’s off just a tad by the two opposing bolts that cinch the sprocket to the spindle the chain tightens and loosens the chain as it rotates through its run. In terms of the thickness of the belt that would depend on the belt tooth sprocket you find for the pedal kit spindle. I think it would be a fantastic idea for you to try though!

  5. Great site. Is it at all possible to use a planetary geared crankset in the Sur-Ron’s bottom bracket? I’ve heard that actually pedaling the bike if/when needed is pretty slow. As is when say the battery is drained before your able to get it charged.

    • Hi Richard, and thanks. All things are possible but the SR pedal kit is unlike normal bottom brackets on regular bicycles. Normally the cranks are connected to the chain ring and as far as I know this is where the planetary gearing is housed. In theory it is possible to use a crank connected to the chain ring, but it would have to be fabricated since the sprocket is further inset than normal bicycles. The diameter of the chain ring would also be limited by its location which would be fouled by the swingarm. One could use a wider spacer to lower the pedal kit spindle to allow for a larger sprocket.

      On normal full suspension bicycles the spindle, crank and chainrings are located ahead of the swingarm pivot point. The SR’s pedal kit is located behind the pivot point. I’m not sure how it would be accomplished to actually be able to pedal the bike. If you figure it out please let me know.

  6. Mark,
    Got my pedal kit and the first thing I did was take it apart and noticed mine was clean and BONE DRY! Zero lubricant was used. I soaked the bearings and races in water-based solvent, then compressed air, then isopropyl alcohol to remove any traces of water, more compressed air, then Park lube and reassembled. I ordered a second kit and will attempt disassembly of the gear ratchet using a pin spanner, I’m betting it has zero lubricant inside as well. If that binds up, bad things will happen. Also tolerances are poor and i also see some deflection in the lateral plane that i doubt I can correct with the 2 screw mounting design.
    I noticed SR includes a rubber plug (found it after i already found one in my parts bin) otherwise i would have welded the extra hole closed.
    Lonnie

    • Wow ZERO lubricant?! That’s horrible. Moisture can collect in the housing after riding in rain, mud, etc due to the hole in the housing. Glad they now supply a rubber plug. Of the four pedal kits I’ve seen the holes are not consistent in shape. Some have welds which makes them irregular in shape. I use Instamorph to plug mine. IF you can disassemble the ratcheting gear I would be very glad to include how that is done if you are so inclined to share your process.

  7. Peddle power a tiny generator – then both chain & belt drives might use? No chain line to worry about?
    Or just a small load/friction so clown peddling looks more natural? just a thought
    Sadly, I lack the knowledge nor skill to build such a contraption. Consider me a serious potential buyer.
    Riding to trail heads a big advantage. As you well appreciate, Mark.

    Thanks for all your great info, experience and thoughts on the Sur-Ron. I hope many more women give it a try.

    Just got my Sur-Ron with carbon belt drive and 17″ SuperMoto wheels – Love the quiet.
    This Spring I’ll put standard 19″ on the front and thinking 3×17″ Shinko 244 on the rear. Hilly Kitsap, BI, WA

    I don’t expect you to publish my random thoughts. Just dreaming.

  8. Hi,
    My ratcheting sprocket assembly seized up on me today and no longer free-wheels. Now the pedals turn all the time which makes the bike un-rideable. Have you heard of this happening before? Any idea what could’ve caused it?
    More importantly…where can I buy a replacement ratcheting sprocket assembly? I’ve been looking all over the internet and cannot seem to find a 28t single-speed freewheel for the Sur-Ron chain size to save my life!
    Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

    • Oh Oh Bruno….
      Without examining your pedal kit it ‘sounds‘ like the ratcheting assembly locked into the threaded bearing race on the right side of the spindle. I show that in the post at the beginning. I cannot tell you where to find one of the ratcheting sprocket assemblies other than purchasing an entire pedal kit assembly. If it’s what I think the threaded locking collar ring backed out which caused the ratcheting sprocket to mate to the threaded bearing race. You can try to disassemble the unit to separate them. Good luck.

    • Bruno,
      Its probably too late to help you but it may help others looking to source the “ratcheting sprocket”. This is actually two separate parts. What you are interested is sometimes called a freewheel clutch. Some Razor products use this component in their rear wheel assembly. They can be found on eBay for under $20. I took some calipers to a Sur Ron OEM freewheel clutch and can tell you some key measure measurements are 95mm O.D. width, 4 x 8mm mounting holes, 57mm between adjacent holes and 81mm between diagonal holes. The bore hole is 35M x 1.0. This is very close to the 1.376″ x 24TPI hole used in the bottom bracket.

      • Jeff thank you for sharing this information. Others will greatly appreciate your efforts.

  9. Mark,
    Wow ! Lots of excellent content. I too have a background and current life involving motorcycles.
    I have a question regarding the Pedal Kit.
    First off I took the kit apart to grease it and adjust the bearings. I noticed that the housing can be mounted to the swingarm either way. Although the spindle has to be turned around.
    The result of doing this moves the crank center forward a considerable amount. Closer to where the footpegs would be.
    I have mounted and tested the Pedal Kit in both positions without any issues. (So far)
    One of my concerns was the bearing race and jam nut may want to loosen do to being on the opposite side and now rotating in the opposite direction.
    Have you tried this or heard of anyone attempting this ?

    • Dave I have never considered flipping the pedal kit housing in the opposite direction. The left side is the reverse thread so by reversing the pedal tube it would ‘loosen’ the bearing race as you pedal since there is no locking ring on that side of the tube. Now what was the former right side is the left which uses the locking ring collar. When it was on the OEM side (the right) pedaling would case the bearing race to tighten if the locking collar ring loosened. It would prevent one of the horrible things that I’ve seen happen. When the locking collar ring loosens and then the threaded bearing race locks into the sprocket spindle. Hum…. Moving the sprocket closer to the pivot point is intriguing. I’d need to hear how your long term experience with this flipped configuration goes. Thanks!

  10. I saw that you had the 60t sprocket and the peddle kit both installed, does it make sense to use that combo for like exercise? Is the gearing so that you can peddle with resistance at like 20-30mph? I know you don’t bring much power to it or extend the range by much but I’m thinking of getting one here in Germany so that I can fly through the woods whilst excersising a little bit…

    • Hey Steven if you install the pedal kit and the 60t or larger rear sprocket, pedal the bike for any amount of time YOU WILL HAVE LEGS LIKE AN ELEPHANT in ten minutes! Hahahahaha. The larger sprockets are going the opposite way then what you need. Sur Ron shipped the pedal kit with a ridiculous 25t sprocket for the rear so you can actually pedal the bike. I did a test with my 48t sprocket. I pedaled on flat ground for 50 yards and could only get to 4 MPH GPS measured. I got off and pushed the bike and achieved 5 MPH in the same distance.

  11. Hi Mark
    Thanks for the great content and links. I used my pedal kit and after a short time disassembled it to low and behold find it was dry as a bone. I’ve ordered new bearings and cups but my axle is pitted and I’m afraid the new bearings will be ruined in short order. Do you have any leads on where I could order a new axle? Thanks, Bob

    • Hey Bob thanks. I’m assuming you are referring to the spindle inside the pedal kit housing, not one of the wheel hub axles. Unfortunately I do NOT know where to find just the spindle. If the pitting is on the circular portions where the bearings meet the spindle you may try using a fine grit sandpaper to sand down the pitting. I’m going to assume that the pitting has sharp edges so if you remove those sharp portions with some wet/dry fine grit sandpaper you should be fine. The reality is the pedal kit bearings really don’t take much stress because you are not placing torque on them while pretend pedaling. I’ve seen some creative alternatives to the SR pedal kit, however the amount of stress placed on the crank arms/spindle point when jumping or doing off road things is way too much shear force for the alternatives I’ve seen.

      Again, unless you purchase a whole new pedal kit I think just sanding down the sharp points on the pitting and using a high quality grease on the new bearings will be fine. Up to you though. Hope this helps and enjoy riding.

  12. Great site Mark, i’m about to purchase two surrons for the wife and I and was thinking of the pedal kit but am unsure of the positioning of the pedals in relation to how your sitting. Is it a little awkward? Or is it okay for trail riding etc.
    Thanks again.

    • Hi Mike thank you. Oooh how cool to ride with your wife! It’s really tough for me to say about the seating position with the pedal kit. Why? Well I’ve had mine on for so long it feels natural to me now. Keep in mind that if you were actually pedaling the bike they are certainly not in the optimum position. But for pretend pedaling and standing while on trails they are fine. Now if the trails are knarly for the entire run with large boulders or logs I would suggest switching over to the pegs. And when turning I always ensure that my inner pedal (the one which is on the side of the direction I’m turning) is in the up position. You do not want a pedal strike. I rode mountain bikes for a long time so pedals are second nature.

      My whole purpose of using the dreaded pedal kit is so that I can access places where a ‘motorcycle’ aka, something without pedals and only pegs cannot go without being reported. Everyone is different so do what’s best for you and where/how you ride. Hope this helps.

  13. Hey Mark – Great content!
    As another Bay Area, ex-AFMer and all around two wheel junkie, love that you’ve got this site. Watched the video blog and already consumed the howtos. Thank you! A big +1 from me on the pedal kit, it’s what sealed the deal for me as well. I got my bike on Friday, already got it de-restricted and have experienced the pedal kit wobble to where it threw the chain (while at WOT :-O) luckily I locked the rear and skidded to a stop. One thing I noticed is that even after servicing the pedal kit there’s still some shimmy in the sprocket/freewheel to where the axle wobble returned because the sprocket was shimmying. Any guidance? Let’s stay in touch…and maybe grab a ride!

    • Hey Brad thank you to another Bay Area AFMer. Glad the site helps. OK so here’s the deal I’ve found with the pedal kit. The spindle is flattened to accommodate the ratcheting sprocket set screw so when the two opposing set screws are cinched down it is designed to not rotate around the spindle. The issue I’ve found is the ratcheted sprocket is not machined with tolerances close enough to mate to the spindle where it lines up in line with the countershaft and rear drive sprocket. So there is quite a bit of play. The flattened portion of the spindle is not level on my bike so when I tighten the hex screw down it naturally angles the sprocket to one side. I was trying to tighten both side equally, but found a better solution for me. Rather than using the flat portion of the spindle I now use the round portion to tighten down the set screws. In this way I don’t get that angle forced by the flat portion. Because the pedal kit is not placing any stress on that sprocket because we’re not actually pedaling the bike it makes no difference using or not using the flat portion of the spindle to secure the set screws. Make sense? Maybe not because I’ve become long winded on this explanation.

      The next time I service my pedal kit I may just invert the spindle so that the completely round portion is on the right side of the bike. I don’t recall if the spindle is symmetrical which would be necessary to do this. I’ll report back here when/if I try it.

  14. Hi Mark
    I tried your link for the replacement crankset. Unfortunately they are out of stock. Any other leads? Thanks, Bob

    • Sorry Robert, I would just try a Google search for Monte Cranks and see what comes up.

    • I am looking for some crank arms too – I have been bending the ones the bike came with !

      • Will I’m sorry to hear you have bent yours. I’m going to assume that as you look down on your bike from above one or both of the crank arms got bent ‘inwardtoward the frame/swingarm correct? It may be fine if you can put the crank arm in a vice and bend it back. I’m not certain, but as I searched for Monty Crank arms it seems everyone is out of stock. You can use the Jitsie arms, but you would need to remove the kickstand otherwise the left side fouls on the kickstand. At least on my bike that’s what happened so I didn’t use Jitsie cranks.

  15. Hi Mark this is spectacular information. I wish I saw this a month ago when I was dealing with similar issues. Do you know of any fake crank systems that fit in the peg holes. I only need the cranks to fake a pedal stroke here and there. I’ll take my chances otherwise. Coming from mountain bikes I actually prefer the offset feeling of the pedals but wonder if there is a simple option available as the complicated sprocket interface and the unsprung issue are problems with this system

    • Hi David and thanks for the compliment. It makes building and maintaining this site worth it knowing it helps other owners. Tried as I did I could not find a way to effectively use the footpeg holes for pedals. There were some folks on the private SR FB group who used a threaded rod through the holes and then placed bolted pedal cranks onto the rod. I too tried that but the real issue became when I would put any sort of stress on the pedals. I drilled the threaded rod and placed two types of keys to keep the cranks from rotating on the rod. But in both cases they broke as soon as I went over a moderate jump or bump with my weight on the pedals. The other, but less critical part was the free wheeling nature of the pedals without any resistance. The pedals would strike my shin when I put just a little pressure on one side. It would be just like removing the chain on your MTB and then having the pedals/cranks just free wheeling.

      But the main issue was not being able to put any weight on the pedals with the rod through the footpeg mount systems. So I just use the dreaded pedal kit and it’s been fine for me. I’m actually shocked to hear of another person who prefers the offset nature of pedals versus pegs! Now I’m so use to pedals I never go back to pegs.

    • That looks very interesting. I just bought one based on a user there named Barney. I’m going to try his method and will post my findings here. Thanks Robert!

      • First I gotta say you da man! You went into such detail in the process of putting together this kit, it was very much appreciated.
        I have a question and it’s gonna sound crazy but here goes.
        Can you install the kit without using the sprocket? I told you it was crazy. All I’m looking to do is make my Surron street legal and for that I need pedals, not that I would ever use them to power the bike, but just to make it legal to ride as a bike.
        I thought about “Macgyvering” one but why reinvent the wheel.
        Any advice would be helpful. Mahalo Mark

        • Hi Shawn, thanks so much for your kind words. Nothing is crazy brah! I’ve thought about the same thing. Here are the reasons I didn’t remove the pedal kit sprocket:
          1. First because I run the OEM 48t rear sprocket the spindle of the pedal kit would rub against the chain. The wear of the spindle and the sound would drive me crazy!
          2. Secondly the pedals would have NO RESISTANCE whatsoever and having some resistance for ME is great.
          I too looked at MacGyvering the pedal kit system. And gave up after making my head hurt. Everyone is different, rides their bikes differently so what works for me may not work for others. By running a larger rear sprocket you may be able to avoid the rubbing of the chain on the spindle shaft of the pedal kit. I’m not sure as I have not measured or tried it, but eyeballing it looks like you may have enough clearance. Hope this helps.

    • Robert thank you SO MUCH for making me aware of the Sunlite kit! I’ve updated this post based on your recommendation. Thanks for helping me and other pedal kit owners! Stay safe and healthy.

  16. I just got my Sur Ron X last week with the pedal kit installed. I had the same issue of the race coming undone and binding the drive train. I removed the pedal kit to inspect all the components for damage. Realizing everything just needed to be tightened and reinstalled. The interesting part is mine does not have the captured nuts, just the bolts and loose nuts. There is NO SPACER between the pedal kit and swing arm. The pedal kit bolts flush. Everything is reinstalled and works great now. Just interesting yours has spacers and mine does not. Great page by the way.

    • Hey Nathan, so glad your pedal kit shaft sprocket did not bind to the right side bearing race. Whew lucky! Interesting that your kit does not have the spacers. The only thing I can surmise is Sur Ron lengthened the two tubes that hold the spindle shaft to the swingarm plate. Other than that I have no idea. Hey as long as it works, that’s all that matters. Have a great time and thank you for the kind words.

      ps I’m awaiting delivery of a new sealed bottom bracket bearing set to install. Once I do so I’ll report on it in this post so stay tuned.

  17. Hello, so much great detail info here! Thanks!
    If just using the pedal kit to meet the regulations and not doing much pedaling to propel the bike forward,
    would the pedal kit hold up a little better? or this is something that will need to be done in the future if getting the pedal kit?
    feedback would be great, Thanks!

    • Andy the pedal kit for standing while riding is pretty robust. I have no issues standing, jumping, landing with the kit. Just be sure to follow what I’ve outline in this post about ensuring that the locking collar ring is secure and you’ll be fine. I’m currently waiting for my new bottom bracket kit to arrive that allows me to seal the bearings. Once I install and evaluate it I will post my findings here. i don’t post things based on what ‘others‘ claim because I don’t know first hand if it would work for me. And since this is the site I built, pay for and update I can do what I want right? LOL

  18. Hey Mark,
    I stumbled across your website and have to say it’s the most comprehensive and detailed collection of technical info about these bikes that I have found. Well done!
    I should be taking delivery of my Sur Ron any day now. I wanted to order a Pedal kit but of course they’re not available. after looking through your pedal kit adjustment section it doesn’t really look like there is to much to this kit and the quality basically looks like crap. I’m a pretty good amateur fabricator and thought I could probably make a superior pedal kit assembly by using a bottom bracket assembly from a junk bicycle. I think that any bicycle made in the last 20 years would have to have a higher quality bottom bracket than what is currently being offered. It looks like I’d just need to get a 420 freewheeling sprocket and maybe some offset crank arms. Do you think this project sounds feasible to you or am I asking for trouble? Can you give any insight on what I should look for in a donor bicycle bottom bracket? I’d love to just buy all the components new but the only part I’m having trouble finding is the actual bottom bracket housing. Any ideas?

    Keep up the good work!
    John S.

    • Hey John thanks for stumbling here! LOL Wow that would be a great project in my mind. So for me these are the major elements that may take some noodling to fabricate:

      The bottom bracket tube. It is much longer than a normal kid’s adult, unicycle BB
      The spindle. Just like the tube it is much longer than others. I researched other spindles and could only find these and even the longest is too short.
      Sourcing the ratcheting freewheel that goes onto the pedal kit spindle.

      It is very obvious based on the build quality of the SR that the pedal kit is an afterthought. I’m damn glad they came up with anything since I would NOT have purchased the bike if it had not been available. I was considering the Neematic before the SR, but it was/is much more expensive and even two years later it’s still vaporware. UBCO purchased the Neematic concept and removed the pedals. And even as I write this it’s still vaporware, 10k vaporware at that!

      I have been pleased with the robustness of the kit for my riding for jumping, landing, etc. Pedaling is really a non issue, but having my weight (or the weight of any rider) being unsprung weight could be an issue. But my own reality is if I wanted to race this thing I would dump the pedals and make it completely purpose built. I’m not trying to turn this into a moto competitor so I’m happy with the new niche this bike and others which are being developed have carved out.

      So to directly answer your questions the bottom bracket tube and the spindle would be the things which I believe would have to be developed. And of those two I think the spindle would be the most difficult. Also the ID of the freewheel would need to match the OD of the spindle so that no play occurs. Currently because the spindle is notched on the right side and it’s not machined accurately it causes wobble. Another thing is the left side crank arm threads are standard and not reverse threaded. Another oversight on the part of Sur Ron. I imagine it would be easy for a machinist to mill the spindle accurately which is not a big deal….if you’re a machinist which I’m not! LOL Can’t wait to see what you create if you do go for this!

    • Brian I looked at the eBay link you sent. Although it appears to look similar here are questions I would have:
      Is the sprocket made for a 420 chain?
      Where is the collar that would anchor the sprocket to the pedal spindle?
      Hope this helps.

  19. Mark, I’ve been thinking about the position of the pedal kit. It is placed directly on the swing arm, therefore canceling the rear suspension effect when riding in the standing position. I am trying to figure out a way to fix the pedals from the frame, maybe from where the footpegs are, but taking into account the chain path and material stress. Have you ever thought about this? Thanks again!

    • Felipe I’m a big believer in reality versus theory. I had posted on this blog that the rider’s weight becomes unsprung weight when pressure is placed onto the pedal kit. And that is true. BUT there are two mitigating reality factors I’ve found in my own experience with the pedal kit. First the weight is close to the pivot point of the swing arm and second unsprung weight is felt most in a bike’s ability to flick right to left. When I had carbon fiber rims on my RC51 it felt like a bicycle it was so flickable. In all of the time I have been riding my SR I have not had negative handling experience using my pedal kit. In the beginning I searched, fabricated and tried many different methods to move the pedals to the foot peg holes; to no avail. Everyone is different, so have at it! What I have found works best for me sure doesn’t mean it’s the best way or good for others.

    • If it is simply a threaded rod I could not get this to work as pinning the crank arm so that it would not rotate broke the rod.

  20. First, I want to thank you, thank you, thank you! Your site is full of marvelous tips and tricks. Thanks for taking the time to detail your mods and such.
    I just took delivery of my X Black Edition. The pedal kit was ordered with the bike, but was not available when the bike came into Luna. So I had them ship the bike, and the pedals later. They arrived yesterday. I put them on, but the darnest thing is, the left crank arm hits the kickstand. No mods, nothing out of the ordinary on it. But the crank arm won’t clear the kickstand. What, are tolerances that far off? So, my question to you. How do I go about bending the kickstand towards the frame? I’m only talking maybe 1/2″ total, from where the crank arm hits the outer-most portion of the kickstand.
    Also, it does seem the pedal kit is slightly different than you have described, perhaps it’s been updated slightly. No spacers, no captured nuts. I have replaced the bearings with the kit you suggested, so everything is looking fine except for this darned bumping into the kickstand.

    • Hum…..Reed I do believe they revised the pedal kit to extend the tubes if no spacers are needed. Bummer that they did not continue using captured nuts on the unit. But the left crank arm hitting the kick stand is a real bitch. I personally would NOT try to bend the kick stand away from the left crank arm. If you are at all handy what I would do is to elongate the holes on the swingarm pedal kit platform, horizontally toward the left side of the bike as you are looking down from above the bike. In that way you can then adjust the position of the pedal kit so that the left crank arm clears the kickstand. Because the ratcheting free wheel can be positioned on the pedal shaft it won’t affect its position.

      Up to you, but if I found the situation you’re in that’s what I would try. Again it does not mean it’s right for you, just my thoughts.

      I’m very disappointed that SR has not manufactured the pedal kit to offer the tolerances needed to fit correctly.

  21. Hey Mark,

    I just recently purchased a sur ron, and was reading your pages about it. I installed the pedal kit my self, but forgot to tighten the lockring collar or I didn’t tighten enough. I had the pedal kit basically explode and my chain got messed up. I was able to walk the bike up my driveway to my garage as i was test riding slowly out front. I lost two bearing balls from the right side that I saw, one ended up in the chain which was odd… LUCKILY my bearing race did not thread into the pedal kit sprocket. So I was able to thread it back into the tube housing. I got everything put back together but I am experiencing bad wobbles in the pedal still. I have made to sure to tighten down the two bolts. I am going to order the bearing kit you posted, and replace the ball bearings inside the tube as well as remove the kit again and tighten everything down. Hopefully this helps with my wobbles.

    Hard lesson to learn, but thankful you posted about it hear and mine did not bind. Wanted to share and thank you for your write ups, which make my life much easier :).

    • Michael I’m happy you’re OK and you were not too far from home! AND that the right side bearing race did not attach to the free wheel! If you are experiencing wobble you need to check two things:
      First when you assemble the tube, the bearings, the races make CERTAIN that you have NO play/wobble on the shaft. You want the shaft to spin freely, but NOT loosely. Once you have it just right then back off the right race 1/8th of a turn. Then place blue Locktite on the threads and SECURELY CINCH down the locking collar ring. The reason I suggest backing off the right race 1/8 of a turn is when you cinch down the locking ring you ‘may’ also tighten the bearing race.
      Second, if you have done what I describe above PROPERLY and you still get wobble on the free wheel then you may not have the wheel directly in line with the countershaft sprocket and the rear sprocket. Because the shaft is tapered and the two set bolts bite into the shaft at different angles DO NOT use the portion that is flattened on the shaft. I use the rounded portion because it’s more uniform then the flat side. GENTLY hand tighten each side evenly. Spin the wheels and you should see only a minor amount of wobble. If not, then readjust the pinch bolts and try again.

  22. Hey Mark,

    Thanks so much for the write up and links, very useful. I recently got a sur ron, and the pedal kit. After installing I had the issue of the sprocket side coming out as you described above. Luckily mine did not bind to the sprocket like the in pictures you showed. I did however lose ball bearings from that right side. I tried posting yesterday but it disappeared. If this is a duplicate please remove the other..

    Seem’s like the ball bearings form right side shot out when it happened ( the actual balls on the ring came out not the ring..). I ordered the replacement bearings and stripped the pedal kit back off bike (what a day, spent about 6-7 hours doing this..). Right now I don’t have a crank arm puller and having trouble figuring out how to get those off the disconnected pedal kit. I might buy the tool you use, if it really is easier. I tried hammer and tapping around the end of the crank arm but no dice. Also with the stock cranks given by Luna, I am noticing that the left one bumps into the kickstand when I did have it attached, any words of advice on removing crank arms and or the kick stand issue?

    • Hey Michael, refer to my response to Reed about the left pedal crank arm hitting the kick stand. Second, the pedal crank arm removal tool I use and listed in my Gear I Use section is a godsend. Yes like you I originally tried using the claw end of my hammer to remove the crank arms WHILE THE PEDAL KIT WAS STILL ON THE BIKE and it worked. But with a Mark cussing level of 8/10. I cannot stress enough how worthwhile that crank arm puller is in my world. My cussing scale is now 0/10 when using that tool. Up to you brah….

      • Hey Mark,

        Thanks for the help! wanted to update.. I bought the crank removal tool, and you are absolutely right, it was so easy to use. Interestingly enough, when I pulled the kit apart, my bearings were facing inwards.. The balls actually just came completely out and were in the housing lose and fell out everywhere. Wish I snapped a photo.

        I got the replacement set, and they seem much better quality wise. The ball’s actually stay in the bearing correctly. I just cleaned everything with kerosene, which worked great. Will put it back together later tonight with some grease. Will update one I re assemble everything and try this again.

        • Michael thanks for your update. The right tool for the right job has always made my life cussing free. (mostly) Yes the way the bearings face is CRITICAL during installation.

          • Mark, just reassembled everything the way you describe, although I am using the flat part of the spindle, there is no more wobble. I spent a lot of time trying to get the 108 link chain just the right adjustments to make it so the chain does not slap the swing arm with to much slack. I have it pretty tight right now and under heavy acceleration I am hearing a slight slap or knock on the swing arm. I put some rubber tape over the place where it’s hitting and the noise is not present but I assume it’s still slapping the rubber pad now. Did you experience this?

            Other than that, the pedal kit is working as intended now, still slightly graze the kick stand but I won’t be actually pedaling so i figure that’s a problem for another day.

  23. Here is a great solution I applied to my pedal kit that greatly improves the functionality of the OEM pedal kit. This longer spindle gives more room for crank arm clearance. The spindle uses a 3/16″ x 3/16″ x 3/4″ key-way paired with a axle adapter to properly align X-Y-Z drift. Parts you are going to need can be found at sickbikeparts.com.
    1. SBP-BBC226 Bottom Bracket Cartridge 226 mm $27.95
    2. SBP-FWA001 Freewheel Adapter $16.95
    3. SBP-KS001 Keys 3/16 x 3/16 / 3/4 inch $2.95

    My OEM bottom bracket shell only measured 80mm unlike Mark’s early shell of 90mm. However, the 226mm axle purchased from sick parts had two positions on each side where circlips hold the sealed bearings in different positions. The axle use tapped holes instead of threaded ends but your square taper cranks still fit. They are just secured with bolts instead of nuts. Wish I could share with you the photos because the cartridge photo looks nothing like what I received. When the set screw is tightened against the key the sprocket is not allowed to drift inward. Thus, preventing the freewheel clutch from threading onto the bottom bracket cups. It also centers it on the shaft preventing Z (up/down) wobble. Now because of the tolerance of the 4 mounting holes in the sprocket, I noticed there is still some very minor wobble in all directions that is notice by eye but I doubt you will feel it.

    • Jeff thank you for this. Half of me wants to purchase those items to try and document them here, but the other half decided not to do so. My pedal kit is performing well right now but if I need to service it again I will purchase those items to give them a try. Thank you so much for listing the links here, it may surely help others.

    • Jeff, thanks for the info. I ordered up the parts. I think I got it installed correctly. I had to reverse the way the spindle came so the keyed section was on the sprocket/freewheel side. I didn’t think there was going to be enough shaft left to get the pedal on but it worked out in the end. It reminds me of the first time I put sealed bearings in my BMX 30 years ago. Still a very minor wobble but I can see it in the actual freewheel itself. My sprocket is aligned properly it’s a wobble in the sealed portion.

  24. I went with a 6mm flat head socket cap screws and 6mm lock nuts turned backward to install the sprocket to the ratcheting sprocket assembly. The bevel on the screws fit nicely into the hole size of the sprockets and help center up the sprocket and ratcheting sprocket assembly together. The lock nuts turned backward happen to do the same thing. The tit on the lock nuts where the nylon is housed fits just about perfect into the holes on the sprocket with no slop. I actually melted out the plastic from the lock nuts to make it easier to thread backward and then used the blue Loctite. Hopefully, the 6mm bolts hold up to my fake pedaling 🙂

  25. Hi Mark,
    Just ordered my Sur Ron x stock from Luna. Now the waiting begins! Thanks for your info, will be studying up while I wait. I also read your article in the Mercury News and agree with you about the pure joy and stress release during this challenging time. I started off with a dualtron scooter and feel like a kid again (I’m not! I’m a 44 year young woman) and now hoping to go a bit faster and have some fun on the sur ron.

    I too live in the Bay area (north /east). I have two questions I can’t seem to find answered to. I want to be able to ride this in various circumstances but opted out of the pedal kit because I don’t want reduced speed. Plus it’s really not useful. Was this the right choice?

    Second, is there a good list of places to ride in the Bay Area?

    • Hi Genevieve, I know all about the waiting game. Had to wait about 2 months for WallE to arrive and yes it’s agonizing. Hope reading through some of my material helps you pass the time. Funny I bought one of the escooters at Costco and tried it for a while, but returned it. Small wheels just make me too nervous but that’s a personal preference. Sounds like you have developed a speed addiction, or perhaps you were just born that way….like I was. LOL

      So here’s why I have the pedal kit and no longer use my CA moped plate. I want to be viewed as a bicycle. Why? Several of my friends are police officers and brought up a good point. Once someone sees a license plate on any vehicle their attitude is very different, it’s a vehicle not a bike. Same rationale on the pedal kit. I can literally ride anywhere, on bike paths, in vacant lots, on the sidewalk (Not often) etc. Of course I do not ride fast when there are others around and I’m blending in as a fancy ebike. I don’t like assholes and do my best to never be one too.

      Your rationale of not having the pedal kit “because I don’t want reduced speed…” does not make sense based on my own experience. The pedal kit if it reduces speed at all is negligible. Now there may be those who ‘have to be right’ and may tell you that it reduces your top speed by 2 MPH. But my use is NOT to go WFO for extended periods of time. And top end is not why I bought the bike.

      The right choice is what is the right choice for you, no one else. I bought my bike for me, not to impress others or have the approval of others. So how/where/what you ride will determine the stuff you want or don’t want on your bike. For me the pedal kit is a must and I have actually had to get accustomed to pegs on my Cake Kalk& along with a rear foot brake. And there is no way I can ride Sofia (my Cake) anywhere like I can with WallE because she has no pedals and she has a license plate.

      I can recommend places I like to ride, but I’d need to know what/how you want to ride first.

  26. Small wheels! Dualtron’s are large for scooters, but… I guess not compared to bikes.

    Thanks for the pedal info…. Finally I get good info! I guess I can add them later if I need to. It’s a bit more open up here than in the city. I’ve been tooling around on my scooter and can get up to 30 mph and haven’t had any issues yet. I have mostly stuck to paved paths, bike paths and on streets with bike lanes, and some mild dirt trails at the state park. I was hoping to take the sur ron off road when we go camping but want to try it locally first, starting off with some dirt and some pavement. Not sure about mountain bike trails just yet.

    But when I want to really rip it and try the dirt bike aspect out, wonder where to go as well… Can you take this to OHV parks?


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